So I was actually able to build and play the list in my last update, the group hug deck. Got in a total of 4 games, and managed to win 2 of them (one win was possibly undeserved as one player scooping out of frustration clenched my victory, though as I was resolving a Vicious Shadows when that player scooped, it seems pretty likely I'd have come out ahead anyway. Vicious Shadows is not exactly a "fair" Magic card!).
More importantly, the games I lost were pretty fun and epic, too. I like the way group hug plays when you're actually using it as a strategy for winning, rather than simply propelling whoever gets luckiest or has the best deck to an easy victory. That said, there were times when I felt like I was helping out one player more than the others, so a BIT more spot-removal and other utility to keep things relatively fair and balanced might be in order.
Oh, and there were a few more changes I made after the first game or two...
1. Cut Arcane Denial for Gaea's Blessing. This change was inspired by my realization that playing Oath of Druids in a deck with only about 20 creatures is not actually brilliant. I managed to make myself quite sad almost every time I resolved an Oath trigger, milling away lots of goodies. Blessing is essential if you're keeping Oath but running a low creature count. I'd also consider Elixir of Immortality as well (in case you draw Blessing, as I did once).
2. Couldn't find the Mystifying Maze that I recommended adding in the last post (I know I have a few of them, but for some reason just couldn't locate any), so I put in Alchemist's Refuge instead. Well, that was a very fortuitous happenstance, as it turns out flashing in Group Hug stuff like Heartbeat of Spring so you get to benefit first is actually really good. No matter what version of this deck you build, the Refuge is almost certainly one of the best lands you can have. Run it!
3. Cut Prismatic Geoscope for Well of Ideas. After a few games I just really wanted more draw, but I still didn't want to add back in Howling Mine or something like Font of Mythos. Then I remembered Well of Ideas was in my Essential Additions post, yet I didn't add it! Oops! Well, turns out my instincts were good on that point, because it played really well once I slotted it in. Wasn't sure what to cut for it, but Geoscope showed up a few times and was never very good for me. I either badly needed to cast other things and couldn't afford to take a turn off to play a ETBF-tapped, five mana, do-nothing mana rock, or I had tons of mana already and it just didn't matter.
Another issue I had was in the early game, not having quite enough mana. I figured their would be enough ramp, plus our commander enabling extra land drops, but most of the games I played had some tense early turns where I was praying for either land or a cheap ramp spell (another reason I cut the Geoscope - the only times I ever WANTED to draw ramp was when I was stuck on 3 or 4 lands).
I did have one game where I got to play Kynaios and Tiro on turn two thanks to a T1 Burgeoning and having a bounceland in hand. That was actually a game I lost, though, believe it or not!
Anyway, cutting two lands seemed like a great idea at the time, but I was having trouble getting enough land to have a natural land drop each turn AND have a land to play off K&T. That said, most of the time I'd still rather be drawing actual gas and not just barfing lands to no real effect.
All things considered, though, I did enjoy the deck quite a bit and found it fun to play, despite normally hating group hug decks. I think gearing the deck toward actually wanting to win some games and not just enable others to win is a big improvement, for me at least. It's never going to be my favorite deck to play and it's certainly not going to win a ton of games, but I like it well enough to keep around.
EDIT: Update to my update - I just realized I missed Alliance of Arms. You see, I somehow mistakenly believed it was already in the pre-constructed list to begin with, but obviously that is not true. Alliance of Arms definitely needs to be in the deck as well. I am not sure what to cut, but it 100% for sure has to go in. Sorry!
Monday, December 5, 2016
Thursday, December 1, 2016
Free Hugs
Sorry for the delay in posting, folks, but you know how the
holidays can be – full of food, family and… stress. Anyway, I was planning to
write up either Saskia or Ydris next, but got distracted when I finally got
inspiration for the group hug deck, Stalwart Unity, led by Kynaios and Tiro of
Meletis.
This one remained a conundrum to me up until the moment something suddenly clicked. And
I’m not sure my solution is actually a viable one. I haven’t yet had the chance
to test this out, so this write up is a lot more theoretical than I’d like. But
whatever, it’s the thing I’m most excited about and I want to get my ideas down
on paper before I move on to something else and forget! So, on we plow.
Let’s just start with the original list…
Creatures
Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis
Veteran Explorer
Humble Defector
Hushwing Gryff
Orzhov Advokist
Chasm Skulker
Gwafa Hazid, Profiteer
Ludevic, Necro-Alchemist
Selvala, Explorer Returned
Edric, Spymaster of Trest
Akroan Horse
Selfless Squire
Windborn Muse
Sidar Kondo of Jamuraa
Horizon Chimera
Zedruu the Greathearted
Psychosis Crawler
Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs
Kraum, Ludevic's Opus
Realm Seekers
Rubblehulk
Progenitor Mimic
Blazing Archon
Spells
Minds Aglow
Collective Voyage
Swords to Plowshares
Swan Song
Arcane Denial
Benefactor's Draught
Evolutionary Escalation
Oath of Druids
Hoofprints of the Stag
Cultivate
Kodama's Reach
Beast Within
Oblation
Ghostly Prison
Propaganda
Rites of Flourishing
Entrapment Maneuver
Tempt with Discovery
Reins of Power
Wave of Reckoning
Sphere of Safety
Migratory Route
Sylvan Reclamation
Seeds of Renewal
Lurking Predators
Reverse the Sands
Treacherous Terrain
Blasphemous Act
Sol Ring
Empyrial Plate
Howling Mine
Commander's Sphere
Temple Bell
Assault Suit
Prismatic Geoscope
Venser's Journal
Keening Stone
Lands
Ash Barrens
Azorius Chancery
Command Tower
Evolving Wilds
Exotic Orchard
Forbidden Orchard
Frontier Bivouac
Gruul Turf
Homeward Path
Izzet Boilerworks
Jungle Shrine
Krosan Verge
Myriad Landscape
Mystic Monastery
Opal Palace
Rupture Spire
Seaside Citadel
Selesnya Sanctuary
Terramorphic Expanse
Transguild Promenade
Plains x5
Island x5
Mountain x5
Forest x5
So, yeah, a fairly typical group hug deck, though a bit
unfocused as these precons tend to be, and with a few legit win-cons. As I’ve
said before I’m not a fan of pure group hug decks; I’ve tried them before of
course, but eventually decided the archetype was not for me. But I always
prefer to stay true to the intentions behind these precons as much as I can. If
I were to go in a radically different direction with one of these decks, as I
have occasionally done in the past, it’d be this one. But I kinda liked some of
what this deck hinted at, in that it’s group hug with an actual plan to win.
One of my favorite little details about this list is how you
bait everyone with free lands, then punish them for it later with Treacherous
Terrain. This is the one deck where that card makes complete sense, in that it
directly benefits from our commander’s ability and all the other
ramp-for-everyone cards in the list. The best part is, even if your opponents
see the trap, and refuse to take the bait, then you’re just turning all those
symmetrical ramp cards into asymmetrical ones that benefit just you. So they
either take the bait and get punished later, or you get to pull way, way ahead.
I like that Sophie’s Choice aspect: take the gifts I offer,
or don’t; if you do, you get punished later, but if you don’t I get to pull way
ahead. Unfortunately it’s still pretty hard to find exactly the right pairings
of cards – for this plan to work you need two things: cards that give everyone
a resource (including yourself), and cards that punish people for having a lot
of that resource. I was having trouble coming up with ideas – I could find ways
to give people resources, but not ways to punish them, or vice versa. Not
having access to Black is a big factor, as it’s the #1 color for “punishment”
effects.
I also like the idea of pairing cards like Edric and Gahiji
with cards like Alliance of Arms, and backing those up with stuff like
Propaganda. As long as everyone is fighting each other, it’s good for you, but
it’s also good for them. Of course giving everyone free lands and card draw is
a risky move that could backfire easily. So, again, you want to punish your
opponents for greedily accepting your gifts. Let them have their fun, but be
ready and able to drop the hammer if need be.
So after some brainstorming on my own, and a good bit of
help from the folks over at the official EDH forums, I finally solidified my
idea. Again, I still don’t know how well it’ll actually work, but this is
probably about as good as it’s going to get if I’m forcing myself to work
within the archetype of group hug. Let’s start this time by talking about what
we want to add.
First of all we want to supplement the Alliance of Arms plan
by adding more effects that give everybody tokens.
Sylvan Offering
Tempt with Vengeance
Benevolent Offering
Curse of the Swine
Genesis Chamber
Hunted Phantasm
Hunted Dragon
Hunted Troll
And because this is EDH and we either go big or go home, let’s
add Primal Vigor and Parallel Lives as well.
I like the interaction between the Hunted creatures and Oath
of Druids. We let our opponents get ahead by giving them tokens, and that lets
us take more advantage of the Oath than they will. Parallel Lives means we’ll
be getting more mileage out of cards like Sylvan Offering, while Primal Vigor
lets everyone reap double the benefits. Which one is better for our strategy
will depend on a number of factors, but it’ll be important to not just run
those out without a plan. Hunted Lammasu got left out for being kinda boring
and only making one token. Curse of the Swine is really just more of a removal
spell, but will have other possible interactions we’ll cover later.
Next up we need to make sure our opponents don’t just turn
on us and kill us with all these tokens:
Gahiji, Honored One
Soul Warden
Essence Warden
Fumigate
Gahiji compliments Edric in the politics department by
making it more profitable or enticing to attack someone other than us. Soul
Warden and Essence Warden obviously just gain us craploads of life so we can
weather a few storms if need be. There’s already a pretty solid suite of
pillow-fort in the deck, via the likes of Propaganda and company, so we’ll
obviously be leaving those intact. Fumigate is just an emergency out if we
start to go for our plan but something goes wrong and we need to hit the
release valve.
Now here’s where I start to reveal a little bit of my true
intentions. Next up we need to add:
Suture Priest
Purphoros, God of the Forge
Vicious Shadows
Insurrection
Yeah. See, we really are group hug, but I want to win games
with this deck, dammit. Sure there’s a minor bit of anti-synergy here, in that
if you play out one of these before you cast Tempt with Vengeance, you aren’t
likely to get any takers, but the other mass-token producers aren’t really
optional. They’re going to get tokens whether they want them or not. Vicious
Shadows should often just end games immediately. I wanted to include a sac
outlet like Goblin Bombardment or similar, but couldn’t find room. Still, it’s
no trick getting stuff to die in EDH, so we can just wing it. Insurrection is a
gimme. Boring, but clearly too on-point for what we’re doing to ignore.
Now we need to ensure we have lots of mana to cast things
like Sylvan Offering or Alliance of Arms for huge amounts (thereby creating a
reliable kill with Purpohros, for instance).
Keeper of Progenitus
Heartbeat of Spring
Mana Flare
Oh man these things are risky! But what’s the difference if
we’re already playing stuff like Collective Voyage? We’re already committed to
giving people extra lands, so might as well. The hope here is, we’ll be better
equipped to exploit all this extra mana than they will, which brings me to the
next batch of cards…
Sphinx’s Revelation
Comet Storm
(plus the other x-spells already mentioned)
Those mana doublers are there to service what is quite a
high count of x-spells. In addition to the two above we also have Mind’s Aglow,
Alliance of Arms, Sylvan Offering, Tempt with Vengeance, Collective Voyage, and
to some extend Curse of the Swine. So we make lots of mana, draw lots of cards
and create lots of tokens. Hopefully we find a way to translate all of that
into a win. Simple, no?
To ensure we stay ahead or at least caught up in the mana
race, and to help our little Treacherous Terrain trap along, we need a few helpers.
Burgeoning
Exploration
Horn of Greed
Nice little feedback loop with our commander, we draw extra
cards to play extra lands, and play extra lands to draw extra cards. Plus Horn
of Greed helps our plan of being a group hug deck superficially, while helping
along are actual plans as well.
There’s one last card I want to add just for the hell of it,
because why the hell not:
Warp World
Now, usually a “serious” Warp World deck wants to ensure it
has far, far more permanents than anyone else, so that when it resolves, they
stand a very high chance of coming out WAY ahead. There are certainly ways we
could do that. For instance, if we cast a huge Tempt with Vengeance and no one
wants to take us up on that offer for fear of a Vicious Shadows or because we
have Suture Priest of the board, we could easily pull miles ahead in the
permanent department, fueling a Warp World that is very favorable for us. Or we
can just cast it on a massively cluttered board and say “screw it, let’s just
see what happens”. There was a very strong argument for leaving this out and
including something like, say, Invoke the Firemind or Clan Defiance, but the
idea seemed far too fun to disregard. It may get cut later if I find it
backfires too often or causes groans among the other players.
So these are all the cards I could actually find room for.
There are other cards I wanted to add, of course, and those include:
Intellectual Offering
Invoke the Firemind
Clan Defiance
Seed the Land
Echoing Courage
Arachnogenesis
Mogg Infestation
March of Souls
Skullclamp
Crown of Doom
But alas, I could not find room for all of those. It’s
possible I should be running something from the above list instead of Primal
Vigor and Parallel Lives, I don’t know. It’s also possible the correct package
for my mana-doubling section would be Academy Rector, Mirari’s Wake and Mana
Reflection, but I don’t think I have any copies of any of those three cards not
already in decks! Plus, we do want to function as an actual group hug deck, so
being selfish with our things is probably not the way to go.
By the way that brings me to a critical point. Typically you
see group hug come in two flavors: decks that actually ARE group hug and just
want to help everyone out indiscriminately, and decks that pretend to be group
hug but have a nasty surprise waiting at the end. The problem with the former
is that they often ruin games by playing “kingmaker” and rather than help everyone
equally, they just propel one player in particular to a steamroll victory. The
problem with the latter is that they are like movies with big twists as the end
– they work once based on the surprise factor, but on repeat viewings you see
the twist coming and it no longer works. Once people know you have a knife up
your sleeve to backstab them with, they just use your “gifts” to kill you
first.
Now, my hope is that I have avoided falling into either of
those camps. I’m not out to play kingmaker, I want to win games myself. But I’m
not trying to surprise anyone with “gotcha!” cards. I fully expect that my
opponents will be fully expecting cards like Insurrection, Treacherous Terrain
and Vicious Shadows to bite them in the ass, but if I’ve done this right, it
won’t matter that they see the trap coming. They either play right into it, or
let me get way, way ahead and I just beat them above-board with superior mana
and armies of tokens.
With that out of the way, let’s talk about cuts. We need to
dump quite a bit of the original list to make room for all these new goodies,
so what gets thrown out?
Let’s start with the easy part. 40 lands is too much. We
have lots of ramp and draw anyway, so we’re going to be hitting land drops, I’m
pretty confident. Let’s cut the atrocious Transguild Promenade +Rupture Spire
duo in favor of cards that, hopefully, don’t suck balls. Actually I’m pretty
confident nothing we’ve added will suck as badly as these two turds.
Creature-wise we can lose the following:
Hushwing Gryff
Orzhov Advokist
Chasm Skulker
Gwafa Hazid, Profiteer
Sidar Kondo of Jamuraa
Horizon Chimera
Zedruu the Greathearted
Psychosis Crawler
Kraum, Ludevic's Opus
Realm Seekers
Rubblehulk
Hushwing Gryff is an obnoxious card that I despise playing with
or against, so out it goes. Orzhov Advokist was needed for another deck (Queen
Marchesa), and it doesn’t really do much here anyway. Chasm Skulker would
certainly have been a respectable card to keep around, but Ydris, the deck with
all the Wheel effects, wanted it more, so… cut! Gwafa just doesn’t have nearly
enough gold coins in his pouch to bribe all the masses of tokens we’ll be
handing out, so he’s out. Sidar Kondo actually seemed worth keeping as he could
do some cool things with Edric and an army of 1/1’s but was a casualty of
theme. He’s one card I might try to squeeze back in if the overall plan works
out but needs tweaking. Horizon Chimera is just “meh” and we’ll gain far more
life off the Wardens. Zedruu does virtually nothing in this list. Psyhosis
Crawler, like Chasm Skulker just makes me think “why the f*** aren’t you in the
Ydris deck?!” so he gets cut just so he can move to that deck. Kraum has zero
synergy so out he goes. Realm Seekers was fine, but mostly just a
generically-huge thing. Boring, so… gone. Rubblehulk came very close to not
getting cut, as I did like the idea of one-shotting someone with our 2/8 commander,
but ultimately he was just another big, generic thing that didn’t contribute
much to the synergy of the deck.
From our spells, we will be dropping:
Swan Song
Benefactor's Draught
Evolutionary Escalation
Hoofprints of the Stag
Entrapment Maneuver
Wave of Reckoning
Migratory Route
Lurking Predators
Reverse the Sands
Empyrial Plate
Howling Mine
Assault Suit
Venser's Journal
Keening Stone
I dislike countermagic in general, so Swan Song was an easy
cut (kept Arcane Denial, for now, just because it’s a good political
counterspell). Benefactor’s Draught is a card I just don’t like much, despite
having never cast it. Evolutionary Escalation was needed for a different deck
(Marath). Hoofprints of the Stag is a bit slow and clunky, and doesn’t fit the
deck we’re building well. Entrapment Maneuver is pretty mediocre. Wave of Reckoning
was originally supposed to stay in, but then I remembered Fumigate just got
printed and that seemed like a much better option. Migratory Route is painfully
underwhelming and not on theme, so it’s an easy cut. Lurking Predators was a
card that didn’t make a lick of sense to begin with, as the deck only has about
22 creatures to start with. And since I’m pretty sure my build is going to have
even fewer creatures, it definitely seems terrible. Easy cut. Reverse the Sands
is cute, but no real synergy or way to ensure it will win us any games.
Empyrial Plate is generic beatdown, which is not what this deck is about.
Assult Suit is much the same. Venser’s Journal seems superfluous as we’re not
likely to have massive hands, and we have plenty of lifegain elsewhere. Keening
Stone was a bad win-con that wasn’t likely to ever pan out even with our
mana-doublers. Howling Mine only gets cut because I like Horn of Greed much,
much better in this deck.
Overall there were a few painful cuts (Sidar Kondo, Chasm
Skulker) but overall, nothing we cut feels essential to me. What I am slightly
concerned about is that with our additions we didn’t really beef up our
defensive capabilities or interaction much. It is possible that, over time, I
will slowly have to beef up our pillow fort cards, and throw in more combat
hosers like Arachnogenesis and Aetherize. As I explained in my Atraxa article,
I prefer to err on the side of theme/synergy and then add good stuff and utility
over time as I get a feel for the deck’s weaknesses.
But before we put the list all back together, we have one
last section to take a look at - the mana base.
We’ve already cut the two worst lands in the list in favor
of non-land stuff, getting us down to a healthy 38 lands. But there’s still
more to do. Firstly, Opal Palace strikes me as a do-nothing card in this list. We
don’t really care about casting our commander with a bunch of counters on it,
and it isn’t great at just being a mana fixing land. I think we easily ditch
this in favor of Kor Haven. I would also accept Mystifying Maze here, but not
Maze of Ith because Maze of Ith should always count as a spell, not a land.
I also don’t like Myriad Landscape much, as how often are we
going to want to get two of the same Basic? We’re better off with Blighted
Woodland, which costs more to use, but can get two different basics.
Of course the inclusion of Krosan Verge makes me really want
Shocklands (or ABUR duals if you got ‘em). I recommend going with, at minimum:
Hallowed Fountain, Sacred Foundry, Stomping Ground and Breeding Pool. This way
you have a Plains and Forest each that come with one of the other two colors.
To make room for these 4 duals I’d just cut one of each Basic.
Finally, I want to try and reducer our ETBF tapped land
count. I like the tri-lands and the Ravnican bouncelands, so they get to stay. This
means Evolving Wilds and Terramorphic are out. With Krosan Verge and Blighted
Woodland, plus all the spells that fetch basics, I don’t mind getting rid of
these at all. We’ll just replace then with Mana Confluence and Reflecting Pool.
I’m comfortable stopping here with the changes to the mana
base, but of course if you have the duals at hand, you can always go further. The
important thing here is not to get carried away with the nonbasics. Remember,
we need a lot of basic lands in our deck for stuff like Collective Voyage to be
beneficial to us. But 16 is probably a sufficiently high number. I certainly
wouldn’t go below 12 and even that might be too few. Hard to say without
testing first, though.
With that done, we are now ready to put it all together into
a final list! Behold:
Creatures
Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis
Essence Warden
Soul Warden
Veteran Explorer
Suture Priest
Humble Defector
Hunted Phantasm
Ludevic, Necro-Alchemist
Selvala, Explorer Returned
Edric, Spymaster of Trest
Hunted Troll
Keeper of Progenitus
Akroan Horse
Purphoros, God of the Forge
Selfless Squire
Windborn Muse
Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs
Hunted Dragon
Gahiji, Honored One
Progenitor Mimic
Blazing Archon
Spells
Burgeoning
Exploration
Minds Aglow
Collective Voyage
Swords to Plowshares
Arcane Denial
Oath of Druids
Cultivate
Kodama's Reach
Beast Within
Oblation
Ghostly Prison
Propaganda
Mana Flare
Heartbeat of Spring
Rites of Flourishing
Benevolent Offering
Tempt with Discovery
Parallel Lives
Reins of Power
Sphere of Safety
Fumigate
Primal Vigor
Sylvan Reclamation
Seeds of Renewal
Vicious Shadows
Warp World
Treacherous Terrain
Insurrection
Blasphemous Act
Sylvan Offering
Tempt With Vengeance
Comet Storm
Curse of Swine
Sphinx's Revelation
Sol Ring
Genesis Chamber
Commander's Sphere
Horn of Greed
Temple Bell
Prismatic Geoscope
Lands
Hallowed Fountain
Sacred Foundry
Stomping Ground
Breeding Pool
Azorius Chancery
Gruul Turf
Selesnya Sanctuary
Izzet Boilerworks
Command Tower
Mana Confluence
Reflecting Pool
Homeward Path
Exotic Orchard
Forbidden Orchard
Frontier Bivouac
Jungle Shrine
Mystic Monastery
Seaside Citadel
Krosan Verge
Blighted Woodland
Kor Haven
Ash Barrens
Plains x4
Island x4
Mountain x4
Forest x4
One idea that didn’t make it into the final list, sadly, was
a Repercussion plan, where we give everyone a bazillion tokens, drop
Repercussion, then cast Blasphemous Act, Wave or Reckoning or something along
those lines. But for that to not kill us and just draw the game, we’d need a
sac outlet to ditch our creatures or something like Mark of Asylum to prevent
the damage. Soulfire Grandmaster would also likely play a big role in this
version, but it seemed a bit too unreliable even for me. That said, there is
certainly an argument for Soulfire Grandmaster in the final version as well. We
have lots of spells we’d like to buy back, and the mana doublers to enable
that. So, yeah, Buyback Monk is definitely a card I’d like to fit in somewhere
down the road.
In the meantime, since I don’t have any actual playtesting
experience to help me further refine and improve this list, I just have to call
it done, for now.
Enjoy!
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